He could have preserved their memory of being exiled from the Garden, of one son murdering another, of all their children, grandchildren, and so on, hating God and one another. 8:29; 1 Pet. What the state of the universe was before this starting point, which some say preceded the Big Bang, no one knows with certainty. Obviously, just as the Bible never recorded God intervening to change the past, here too, when needed more than in any other conceivable circumstance, God did not rewind human history to just before Adam and Eve fell. Misconception 2: Measurement of time equals time itself. Thank you so kindly Ebrown for such encouragement. Mr. Einstein is right, “God does not play dice.” The universe is no random accident. But many theologians reject that the Incarnation shows change in God, as demonstrated in the TNARS Open Theism debate (mentioned above). It is not that God is able to do anything, for He can only do that which is doable. "You are therefore greatly mistaken" (Mark 12:24-27). In other words, they believe that time was first and then God came on to the scene. Yes. He is the infinite, eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing Creator. Jesus’ opposers accused him of making himself equal to God. Either way, that's quite an onus to put on something as ethereal as time. What century it is. For example, if the classical description of God held by Calvinists and Arminians were true, that He has unchanging knowledge, here is a tiny list of the almost infinite things that such a God could not know: By Bob Enyart, KGOV.com & This was known before any microscopes or subatomic atoms were even known to exist. Thank you so much. is - and was - and is to come - whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting, in Your book they all were written, the days fashioned for me, when as yet there were none of them." With the A theory, many worry that God is 'bound' by time, as if that's a limitation. The above timelessness terms are foreign to the reader of God's Word, whereas the Bible's many terms, as listed below, are all so very familiar from our reading of Scripture. Great questions my friend. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. God, though, has existed through the "beginningless past". Hostile Non-Biblical Pagan Accounts There are a number of ancient classical accounts of Jesus from pagan, non-Christian sources. Being transcendent, God is the incomprehensible Creator existing outside of space and time and thus is unknowable and unsearchable. This also happened in our debate with James White on Is the Future Settled or Open? ... Mary Fairchild is a full-time Christian minister, writer, and editor of two Christian anthologies, ... Bible Verses About God's Love for Us. Thank you sir very much and we appreciate your asking. There is no question that God is not bound by time. (It's the imperfect acorns that can't change as much.) When we do those things, we are doing good works—sacrificing our time and energy for the well-being and benefit of others. No. (Aristotle, for example, claimed that the infinite is never actual; he, however, did not know God.). Seems pointless. Richard Holland on his groundbreaking book,God, Time and the Incarnation. God is God because we can not get our minds around Him and figure Him out. The truth is the reverse. One can know the script of a stage show, but to know at what point the cast is at in a performance requires a different kind of knowledge that cannot even theoretically be held statically. I also explained, very briefly, the string theory of vibrating strings being life’s building blocks. If you rewound the universe backwards, which at present is expanding exponentially, it would go back to a singular point in time, space and matter. (Hebrews chapters 7, 9, and 10 also teach that on the cross "this He did once", "once for all", "but now, once", "offered once", "the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all". These “invisible qualities” leave mankind with no excuse. 15:13). How does God acting before time began get around the problem of God's creation? 42:14). - That at that time ye were without Christ. Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, “He did not make me”? For remember that, writing in Genesis, Moses introduced Melchizedek without parents making it appear that He had no beginning, "like the Son of God" (Heb. God has wonderful qualities that can only be had if He exists in time, including patience, being slow to anger, and hope. Also, if entangled particles instantaneously experience a quantum effect, as is widely held, that indicates absolute time and a preferred reference frame. These Settled View adherents interpret countless scriptures about God and time as figures of speech. (Google indicates that more than a billion webpages Koukl believes in the A theory, which is one reason why he rejects the idea that God is essentially timeless. and re-creation, at the same time understanding that was once, is necessary for the re-creation, later. Further, regarding salvation, a request from Jesus had the effect of summing up every conceivable possibility of changing the past. These are logical and moral impossibilities, and God is good, and rational. Please consider revising this statement in your article: “A created thing is always lesser than that which was created.” Do you mean “A created thing is always lesser than that which created it.”? Dorine from Kenya. However, if Christ had been slain previously, before the foundation of the world, then there would have been no need for the righteous dead to wait in Abraham's Bosom "until the death of the one who is high priest in those days" (symbolizing Christ). Nothing that "has a beginning" can cross an infinity. Truly appreciate the article. God has done this however. The final frame of the cartoon strip shows three large kettles arranged at the mess, with the first labele… On A theory, God must be in time in a temporal world, and on B theory, God can be timelessly 'outside time'. There is absolutely nothing that happens in the universe that is outside of God’s influence and authority. Thank you Mr. Riggs. Then if such a creature created God, then that creature must have also been created. - How long has it been since creation and since the flood. The other is as if everything is a miracle. God did many things before creation (John 17:24, 5; Rom. So Craig's Islamic theologians and countless Christian theologians (including Augustine, even though he was right to apply the concept of infinity to God), could hardly have comprehended the concept that God could have existed for an infinite time and that daily He also could add more time to that same infinity. The Bible lists numerous verses stating the infinity of God. Regarding rivers, men build anchors and docks to resist their flow. Instead, the simple truth is that a timeless deity could not create time and does not exist. Thank you so much Vickie. If God were created, then something greater than the thing created must have existed beforehand. But He took that title for Himself after much humbling and lowering and emptying of Himself. A painting demands a painter just as a creation demands a Creator. Looking at the stars then, it appears that the light of the universe has been traveling for eons, yet God stretched out the heavens in a single day (Gen. 1:14-19). 10:6; hymns) is corrected even by Calvinist translators in virtually all modern versions as is also made overtly clear from the text and the context, "There will be no more delay!" Do it before its to late you never know what day on earth is your last god bless you all. Our minds simply cannot conceive something that has no beginning. Yes, of course He can. Three times the phrase is found in the verses that mention outer darkness. Plato's error was not random but originated through his bias to then conclude that the future was could not change. The common statement ‘God is outside of time’ reflects this general view of God’s eternity. Other times, we can linger on a verse or two, and let them minister life, healing and comfort to us. He's ignoring the ubiquitous observation that anything that "has a beginning" must have a cause. The vast majority of Christian theologians though, who reject that God has existed through the beginningless past, typically do so by being inconsistent. That date will eventually reach the present and then, as age piles on top of age, greatly recede with the flow of time carrying it forever further and further into the distant past. Simply pointing out this nearly ubiquitous error should suffice to correct it. It is not pointless to inherit eternal life and for those who are saved in this age, we will be kings and priests in the coming Kingdom to come which will be forever growing and we will be teaching others about God in the eternal Kingdom. Bible verses about spending time with God. A God that we can know completely would cease to be God and God can not be put into a box. Thank you David. Thank you for pointing out my mistake sir. Your ten year old son has more logic and intelligence than do the many brilliant physicists and scientists do. - See rsr.org/starlight-and-time#speed-of-light for thoughts on a photon's innate frequency. May God bless you there and please come back soon. The Son of Man: As men, we probably would never pick the same title for Jesus as is His favorite title for Himself, "the Son of Man." What do you think they are? For the Bible teaches that "only those written in the Lamb's Book of Life" (Rev. Jack, On that crooked foundation, many theologians of both Arminian and Augustinian/Calvinist perspectives eventually slid into the false teaching that God's creatures could neither decide nor do anything other than what had been eternally foreknown. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. BUT, regressing towards the inverse of infinity always seems to DEMAND a “1st born”, so-to-speak.Consider the parable of a gun type nuclear device such as “llittle boy”, the projectile is accelerated toward the mass of U235 creating the explosion; but where did the material to make the projectile come from, IF THE PROJECTILE ITSELF WAS A RESULT OF A PREVIOUS EXPLOSION?! The Bible says. Jack, ,you’re doing a great job leading people to Christ and answering difficult question through the inspiration of God. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail, Previous post: Billy Graham Quotes: 22 Great Sayings, Next post: Be Alert: No One Knows the Day or Hour. That of course would require divine knowledge of an infinite future, with this knowledge comprised of actual thoughts in God's mind. 10:12-13). Walk in wisdom toward those who are outside, redeeming the time. The measurement of something does not equate to the thing itself and (as pointed out since at least 1885 by the Rev. 7:3). For although the statement that "time came into existence" launched a million words in its defense, men have no way of even thinking about the notion. So along with many theologians he disagrees with the biblical argument presented above of: "from everlasting to everlasting", and thus he denies that God has existed throughout time immemorial, infinitely into the past. Craig rejects the possibility of an actual infinity. - What time it is. Contrast then "events" to people and objects anchored to resist the flow. For He claims to do these exact things a hundred times over. We can only pray that God would do this revealing to them. Mark 13:14-23, “the “fields”, “the rooftop”, are referring to Cassiopeia and Cepheus, and that which rises later in the evening, Andromeda, specifically M31, the great galaxy which is NOT where it appears to be (and Mr. Einstein would not understand why not). That would include His supposed inability to perform separate acts of creation, to act in sequence through any intervention, or even Himself from a burning bush to speak with sequential words.Did God Ever Show His Power By Intervening to Change the Past? Bible verses about God’s goodness 1. The Son of Man and the James White Debate Aftermath: Responding to the debate, R.C. Is there any evidence for Jesus outside the Bible? Thus, such a belief is not necessarily an indication of true spiritual insight. God judges those outside. That is a valid position, for otherwise, God's very existence would be dependent upon the creation. Time is a Prerequisite of Creation: Many have been told that time was created by God, and that it is not an aspect of His existence. Jack, I have made “atheists” admit that there is a God. Jack, no rush take care of those poor children in foster care. Yet unlike God, our life is not endless in two directions but only in one, namely, into the future. Jesus Himself gives the context for Genesis 1:1 teaching that "from the beginning of creation" (Mark 10:6; and importantly, Mat. It is their response to HIS ability but it is our responsibility to tell them. I truly enjoyed the read. Please consider though that time cannot be created. Why not? Before time, space and matter existed, God existed. Isaiah reiterates again, “But now, this is what the LORD says–he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: “Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine” (Isaiah 43:1). Time would then have to possess whatever features were necessary to transport every physical particle and every spiritual entity, temporally forward. Our minds are made simpler than Gods because he made the time and space in which our mind RELATES ONLY to. Thus, if there were any possible way to answer the Son's prayer by undoing the commitment that God had brought upon Himself, He would have done so. 27, No. This means that these evil men were not believers who had fallen away, but that their names were NEVER written in the book. Instead, biblically, God changes immeasurably, including by God the Son taking upon Himself a human nature. Only by acknowledging that God exists in time can one restore the doctrines of predestination and foreknowledge to their literal status of actually describing God as He is. For: "...the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. Bacteria is life and it may well be elsewhere in the universe but this doesn’t mean that it is created in the image of God, male and female (humans) to glorify God. Thank you so much Mrs Wykes. As at Metaphysics, "there is genuine flow of time as past events recede further and further into the past and future events move closer and closer to the present." It is a book about God and his relationship with man. The beginning as far as humans are concerned is not Genesis chapter one but John chapter one. Nothing can not produce something. Powerful work you are doing sir. JW: That’s correct. Liberty University's Assistant Professor of Theology In a sense, the marking of time is irrelevant to God because He transcends it. Thanks for stopping by! So because the above arguments falsify atemporality, one realizes that if God could not cross infinity, then He could not have existed for eternity. BE: And so, you don’t think that’s a change? Bible Verses on Unconditional Love. He is infinite and we are finite. If atemporal, He could not have expectation or hope, but He does have expectations (e.g., Isa. NOT ONE MEANS TIMELESSNESS. If God exists outside of time—not in time, but timeless and eternal—what would that mean about God's nature? Afterall, why can't God PREdestine something, from His own perspective? Thank you for that! Thank you Joshua. Though we reject much of Wes Morriston's reasoning in his paper Beginningless Past, Endless Future, and the Actual Infinite published in 2010 by the journal Faith and Philosophy (Vol. Verse 12. And "He ever lives to make intercession," for "the Mediator between God and men" is "the MAN Christ Jesus." For the present is where God lives, in the fullness of time so to speak, with God's past illustrated by that ray. Time does not carry our birth forward into the future, nor (as it might if time flowed forward) does it forever postpone our physical death pushing it later and later. T his question would have seemed very odd if it had been asked of a minister of about a hundred years ago. I also loved the einstein quote. 19:4; Mark 13:19; Heb. Hey, Truly the Psalmist and Paul (in Romans 1 & 2) are true: The heavens declare the glory of God and that they stand without excuse who deny a Creator for the creation. But He has. The scientific fad, with its ubiquitous acceptance, of claiming that time came into existence with the big bang, could effortlessly disappear if not needed by the next fad, the multiverse. Other objects though, like bubbles and twigs, readily float along with the current. What human mind can comprehend a self-existing God that has always been and will always be? He exists outside of time, existed before time began, and will exist for all time as the infinite, perfect God of all creation. 90:2). Sproul Jr. and James White, see just below) will sacrifice the greatest truths of Scripture for Platonic utter immutability. This is because we live in a world of tweets and quick soundbites where people rarely have enough time for context. Here is a paradox. It was a bit of a trick, above, to use "Greek" to refer to philosophy rather than to the New Testament. White wrote: "God the Son does not have two natures. 1:10; 2 Pet. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made” (John 1:2-3). However, for a deity who exists outside of time, there is no past to remember and there is no future to know nor to plan for. God Is Love is a famous verse from 1 John 4:8 about God's loving nature. Which is more likely to be flowing suspended perfectly in time, a fjord or the future? While God inhabits eternity, He deals with His creation in time. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it is merely transferred! Forward Looking: Finally, as Solomon wrote, God put eternity into our hearts. A cause greater than itself had to exist prior to the universe’s existence and seeing the enormous size of the universe, the titanic amounts of energy being used and that is available and the perfect order of the universe, there must be intelligence behind the cause. Misconception 3: Time flows toward the future.
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